I don't think Mat's very happy with us

RodrigoMDZ · 2017-02-24 19:53:05

Well, he's never been an open person. I remember one time when i volunteered to translate some contents to spanish (cause his translations weren't very good) and he said "no, i can't know if you write what it really says". He's paranoid and HBP will die because of this.
Besides, he never cared about the users or protecting people. I reported self confessed pedophiles to him and they're still active users. One is his friend... probably won't be long till he gets here as well.

acardiophileblog · 2017-02-24 22:51:03

RodrigoMDZ wrote:

Well, he's never been an open person. I remember one time when i volunteered to translate some contents to spanish (cause his translations weren't very good) and he said "no, i can't know if you write what it really says". He's paranoid and HBP will die because of this.
Besides, he never cared about the users or protecting people. I reported self confessed pedophiles to him and they're still active users. One is his friend... probably won't be long till he gets here as well.

then it won't be long before that user is banned and reported.

orang_utan_dean · 2017-02-27 02:44:39

I'm going to show my age now badly, but...

Before HBP existed, there were a number of different heartbeat themed groups online under the umbrella of either MSN Groups or Yahoo! Groups. Anyone could start one of these groups up and whilst it was slightly chaotic and led to potential duplicate groups, it essentially worked, in as much as you could post topics, files and photos, that sort of thing.

I then remember getting an invitation from a user who eventually turned out to be Mat inviting me to come and join a new website he had put together for cardiophiles. I can't remember if that was a personal message or whether it was a topic in the HeartbeatManiacs posting list, but that's basically how he got his website started...by going to places where cardiophiles were and inviting them to try something new.

Fast forward 12 or so years and that's now what's starting to happen on HBP. Everything has its time...the days of the MSN and Yahoo! Groups are gone, HBP arguably has had its heyday and is now in decline...now people are trying other things. It's a shame Mat is now seemingly trying to stop the same tactics he used to promote his site, but don't be downheartened. Lots of unsavoury stuff happened over on HBP & even if people do come over here, it may well take a whole chunk of time to build up trust and reputations. Stick with it though guys

paperpenguin · 2017-02-27 03:07:09

orang_utan_dean wrote:

... Mat ... a topic in the HeartbeatManiacs posting list ...

Yep, that's pretty much how I remember it.

So it was what, 2006 or so, when a topic in HBM shows up like HBM old and busted, HBP the new hotness, and people jumped ship. Of course, the MSN Groups format was quite restrictive technically speaking, so HBP was a marked upgrade what with actual forums and large files and audio-video chat.

Thing is, H2H doesn't have a "killer feature" what will get people to jump ship, or at least isn't that drastic an improvement, so adoption may be quite slow, at least until enough word of mouth gets out. Not helped in the slightest by the de facto censorship or at least the notion of possibility of censorship of H2H mentions on HBP.

Diff · 2017-02-27 03:14:00

Really good point, we don't have any big killer features over here. We need something that will draw people in but all I'm drawing is a blank right now.

T145 · 2017-02-27 13:30:05

Well, we need to do something that the others don't, but figuring out what exactly might be a bit difficult, though. Especially since our content restrictions are likely greater than that of competing sites, in some categories.

Deleted user #61 · 2017-02-27 19:07:10

Just by having a warm, welcoming environment will bring people aboard all by itself. Mat did a fantastic job on his site. Take all the features and options that worked well there and improve on them here. If something failed over there, maybe it won't fail here. The more features and options members have the better. One big feature might be great to lure people in, but will they contribute? A whole lot a little features that are fun and that everyone loves will keep people active and wanting more, well at least in theory. Enjoyment and activity begets enjoyment and activity just as misery and inactivity begets misery and inactivity. It is WE who will make this site a great heart site, and it is WE who will choose to turn it into ruin.

orang_utan_dean · 2017-03-01 03:20:39

I wouldn't spend a huge amount of time wracking your brains for super duper new features and that sort of thing for the moment guys, to be honest. I think to begin with, all you need for this site is for it to be well managed and moderated...that seems to be the biggest bug-bare for the "modern" HBP (when the mods were around in its heyday and people were more respectful because people looked out for one another and took no prisoners with bans and rules, it was a really fun place to be!).

Get yourselves a good reputation and you may be surprised at how easily things snowball after that...you've just got to keep on top of everything :cool:

Diff · 2017-03-01 12:59:27

Well, that and we need people to know about the site in the first place. People won't come if they don't know we exist.

Kay-Ember · 2017-03-02 00:28:15

It has come to my attention that a 15-year-old girl posted a file on HBP and recived almost one hundered upvotes. Thats....disturbing.

IMHO, underage people should not be allowed to even upload files, due to the pure ammount of creepers. After all, HBP *is*, by definition, a fetish site, being it features adult content and mature users. Sure, Matt enabled the content to be hidden from underage users, but the ones who post and interact with the adult conent still have free range of the whole board and all the users.

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Diff · 2017-03-02 02:59:04

Seriously don't understand that. Exactly like you said, it's practically a straight up fetish site and yet it still has a teens section and allows known children to be on the site. I've been on non-fetish sites before that had problems with pedos targetting children, giving them in-game items to video chat on skype. I can only imagine the kind of crap that a site with actively horny people is helping to create.

acardiophileblog · 2017-03-02 17:15:12

Kay-Ember wrote:

It has come to my attention that a 15-year-old girl posted a file on HBP and recived almost one hundered upvotes. Thats....disturbing.
IMHO, underage people should not be allowed to even upload files, due to the pure ammount of creepers. After all, HBP *is*, by definition, a fetish site, being it features adult content and mature users. Sure, Matt enabled the content to be hidden from underage users, but the ones who post and interact with the adult conent still have free range of the whole board and all the users.

the comments are pretty obviously sexual too. "you're rocking it in more ways than one" obviously refers to breasts. the reason pedos are so comfortable in typing things like that to young girls and even PMing them is because mat is a totally useless sexual predator apologist. still expecting the day that either that, or someone dying from crushing their heart launches an investigation on the site. if you at least speak up, hopefully they won't include you as an offender.

edit: the younger the girl, the more upvotes, comments, and views. it's painfully obvious what's happening there but mat is too stubborn thinking he's the best to do anything. gotta keep them around somehow - CHILD PORN! (basically)

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orang_utan_dean · 2017-03-06 16:53:20

acardiophileblog wrote:

Kay-Ember wrote:
It has come to my attention that a 15-year-old girl posted a file on HBP and recived almost one hundered upvotes. Thats....disturbing.
IMHO, underage people should not be allowed to even upload files, due to the pure ammount of creepers. After all, HBP *is*, by definition, a fetish site, being it features adult content and mature users. Sure, Matt enabled the content to be hidden from underage users, but the ones who post and interact with the adult conent still have free range of the whole board and all the users.
the comments are pretty obviously sexual too. "you're rocking it in more ways than one" obviously refers to breasts. the reason pedos are so comfortable in typing things like that to young girls and even PMing them is because mat is a totally useless sexual predator apologist. still expecting the day that either that, or someone dying from crushing their heart launches an investigation on the site. if you at least speak up, hopefully they won't include you as an offender.
edit: the younger the girl, the more upvotes, comments, and views. it's painfully obvious what's happening there but mat is too stubborn thinking he's the best to do anything. gotta keep them around somehow - CHILD PORN! (basically)

I think what she put in the description of the last file she uploaded is particularly alarming... " I appreciate all the pms you guys sent me, I really do. But some are just way out of the line, please. I'm not ready to share privately. For now, at least. Let alone topless. I just had to say this because some pms are really freaking me out, sorry. Other than that thanks for all the other nice messages "

Given the various conversations I've had in my years on the site, I reckon I can make a pretty good stab at putting together a list of people who are most likely to have sent messages like that...and get quite a few names correct too. Quite, um...worrying.

ChiraBeats · 2017-03-06 17:41:44

orang_utan_dean wrote:

I think what she put in the description of the last file she uploaded is particularly alarming... " I appreciate all the pms you guys sent me, I really do. But some are just way out of the line, please. I'm not ready to share privately. For now, at least. Let alone topless. I just had to say this because some pms are really freaking me out, sorry. Other than that thanks for all the other nice messages smile"

woah didn't even make the connection that that was the 15yo girl when I read that description. that's a whole new level of insane.

acardiophileblog · 2017-03-06 19:02:18

wow, nice. pedos sending pms to a 15 year old girl asking to make topless fetish videos.

and what will mat do? absolutely nothing.

RodrigoMDZ · 2017-03-06 19:08:14

Well, I reported the situation many times (it's not just with girls, there's an user that goes as Chris Mathis that preys on young boys). Maybe someone should report it to an authority.

acardiophileblog · 2017-03-06 19:10:39

also, past 7 days, the two top files are both underage.

LadyKris55 · 2017-03-07 23:02:08

Hey guys... I'm glad this site is up and running now.

I kind of wanted to put my two cents into all of this, regarding letting minors post files/join HBP because it's "a fetish site".

It's not a fetish site. At least, it wasn't when I joined. I'm 20 now... I joined in 2010. Do the math. I was 12-13 years old when I joined HBP, and even before then I had uploaded files on Youtube (I found out about HBP through a comment on youtube). I joined HBP because it was explicitly stated on the front page that it wasn't a fetish site; people were allowed to join whether or not their interest in the heart was sexual, a fascination, or anything in between.

I was, by far, the youngest member on that site at the time. There never even used to be a "teens" section. Mat specifically made the "teens" section and put a restriction on the chatrooms to people 16 and over because of me. For my safety. After all, I was the only underaged user on the site... He noticed I was a popular contributor and tried to separate me from the rest of the group (with good reason).

Obviously it didn't work because I was still able to post files, and PM people.

Idk where I'm going with this tbh.

My point is, HBP is fine besides all of the pedophiles running around. Every women experiences this sort of harassment from its male members, especially if they post files. Minors are no different. Yes, a lot of people there view this fascination as a fetish, but without HBP I probably wouldn't have explored my interest and just suppressed it. Before I met others who liked the same stuff I did, I just thought I was a weird, out of place kid. It brought me comfort knowing others had the same interest as me, sexual or not.

I think minors need to be protected... I can't even begin to tell you the amount of messages I got. My files were reuploaded to porn websites (files recorded when I was underaged). People found my personal facebook and Skype account. They'd go on my public social media pages asking me to post more files; which was dangerous because nobody outside HBP knows about this interest of mine.

It's a very very messy situation and while I don't think minors should be turned away from HBP because of their age, I do think there should be a closer eye on them and the members that interact with them. I reached out to that 15 year old girl posting those files and told her I was in her shoes and I'd do anything to help her be more comfortable... The stuff she told me other members said to her was disgusting and horrifying.

RodrigoMDZ · 2017-03-08 00:24:59

Look, what you said has some kind of sense but you're starting from a fake premise. HBP IS a fetish site and it always was. It originated in yahoo groups where people shared their sexual desires associated with heartbeats. Of course there's people with a non-sexual interest in heartbeats, but they're a minority. So, if there's a site that revolves around a specific trait that makes (most of the) people in it horny then it's a fetish site.
I used to be on the adult area, and there was an adult area ever since the start of the site. The thing is, yeah... he made a teen area. But once he closed access to the adult area it was the same. The only thing separating the teens from the adults was the access to the adult area. When you couldn't enter anymore then you could access the teen area and post without restrictions.

I remember when you registered on the site. Many people said they would prefer they'd ban kids from registering... but Mat didn't cared, because it was undermining his power. Sorry to say this, but he's a lonely little person (yeah... i know people that know him in real life) that enjoys being able to control something for once.

Now you're going to say... no, he means well. No he doesnt. Me and many other members reported confessed pedophiles, i attached conversations and PM's and he did nothing. For example... there was a guy, 20 years old at that time, today he should be 27/28, we were chatting like regular people and then he started talking about how he coached little league and he loved feeling the little children hearts... i told him I wasn't interested and changed the subject. He tried to talk about it a few times and i blocked him. Not long after that he started posing as a teen, 13 to 16 years old, and trying to make adults play with him to satisfy his sick fantasies. I reported everything to Mat, with proof.. the guy is still on the site, he poses as a 14 year old now.

And Christ Mathis... he preys on kids in youtube, facebook and HBP... multiple reports. He's still there cause he's a frind of Mat. And you can see his sexual innuendos and how he creeps on young kids out in the open in his youtube comments or in his facebook profile...

So, please... no. Don't defend Mat, he's an asshole and he nurtures a safe site for pedophiles. One can only suspect he is one as well.

LadyKris55 · 2017-03-08 00:43:55

RodrigoMDZ wrote:

Look, what you said has some kind of sense but you're starting from a fake premise. HBP IS a fetish site and it always was. It originated in yahoo groups where people shared their sexual desires associated with heartbeats. Of course there's people with a non-sexual interest in heartbeats, but they're a minority. So, if there's a site that revolves around a specific trait that makes (most of the) people in it horny then it's a fetish site.
I used to be on the adult area, and there was an adult area ever since the start of the site. The thing is, yeah... he made a teen area. But once he closed access to the adult area it was the same. The only thing separating the teens from the adults was the access to the adult area. When you couldn't enter anymore then you could access the teen area and post without restrictions.
I remember when you registered on the site. Many people said they would prefer they'd ban kids from registering... but Mat didn't cared, because it was undermining his power. Sorry to say this, but he's a lonely little person (yeah... i know people that know him in real life) that enjoys being able to control something for once.
Now you're going to say... no, he means well. No he doesnt. Me and many other members reported confessed pedophiles, i attached conversations and PM's and he did nothing. For example... there was a guy, 20 years old at that time, today he should be 27/28, we were chatting like regular people and then he started talking about how he coached little league and he loved feeling the little children hearts... i told him I wasn't interested and changed the subject. He tried to talk about it a few times and i blocked him. Not long after that he started posing as a teen, 13 to 16 years old, and trying to make adults play with him to satisfy his sick fantasies. I reported everything to Mat, with proof.. the guy is still on the site, he poses as a 14 year old now.
And Christ Mathis... he preys on kids in youtube, facebook and HBP... multiple reports. He's still there cause he's a frind of Mat. And you can see his sexual innuendos and how he creeps on young kids out in the open in his youtube comments or in his facebook profile...
So, please... no. Don't defend Mat, he's an asshole and he nurtures a safe site for pedophiles. One can only suspect he is one as well.

Sorry, but... Where did I say that I was defending Mat? I think he's 100% in the wrong here.

Whether you think it's a fetish site is your business. The reasons minors even join is because it says in big bold letters on the front page that it is not specifically a fetish website; it's a website for people to share and talk about their interest in heartbeats. Yes, people are going to find it sexual. Yes, the majority of it have some sort of sexual relations with heartbeats. I get that. But my point is that it wasn't advertised as a fetish site (which is why I joined at my young age in the first place), and still isn't, because if it was Mat would ABSOLUTELY get in trouble for allowing minors to join.

I'm 100% against Mat and this is why I have been slowly shying away from HBP as a whole (I only go back to see drama and some of my favorite file contributors; I don't contribute anymore) and moving to Tumblr instead. I feel like HBP can be somewhat okay again, but things have to change, and Mat doesn't want things to change, so it's going to slowly die out.

Please don't put words into my mouth. I was sharing my experiences and was putting perspective from someone who, as a female minor, joined HBP when there were a TON more active members than there are now. Minors join the website to explore their interest further. I don't think it's fair to restrict a group of people due to their age unless the website is specifically listed as an adult/fetish website.

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